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good afternoon frank here with yet

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another episode of ufo news network

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sunday

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uh running up to the ufo report

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i think it's going to be released

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actually uh this

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coming week at some point that's my

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prediction anyway

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they did hold off this week as i

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suggested last week

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uh due to uh biden's uh travel to the g7

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summit and his meeting with putin last

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week

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they weren't going to upstage that so

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they've held on to it this

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uh uh until uh the at least uh this week

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no guarantee it's going to be out this

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week but i'm thinking that it will be

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because in the news this week we did

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see a briefing to

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the committee in congress the

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house intelligence committee did receive

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interesting sources

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uh the united states navy which you

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would expect and

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also the fbi which uh you wouldn't

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necessarily expect

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i don't know what was in the briefing

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but it seems

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as though not all of the material that

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uh was uh provided to uh this house

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committee

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is necessarily going to be uh related to

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the ufos we're really interested in

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the potentially et ufos but the the

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commit committee select committee on

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intelligence

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subcommittee on counterterrorism counter

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intelligence and uh

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counterproliferation good reason to

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think why the fbi is going to want to be

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in on this

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if at some point uh some sort of

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terrorist that gets hold of a

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uh some sort of aircraft and uh drone

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uses it to do some damage uh they're

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gonna want to stay on top of this so

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let's not forget that

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it was their intelligence failing that

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led to

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the catastrophe on september 11th uh

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probably the

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the greatest intelligence failing in the

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history of the country

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uh uh even uh surpassing uh the pearl

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harbor event uh back in 1941

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so they have a good incentive to want to

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be on top of at least their end of

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things

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of course uh their involvement in any

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potentially ufo et's

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ufos not very likely they just don't

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have the gear for it that type of thing

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but they do want to be involved and it

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seems as though

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they were at least adequate contributors

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to this report

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they had a representative up there and

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they uh they briefed

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that particular uh committee now

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uh some comments uh from members of the

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committee

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after the briefing took place we're

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looking forward to having a public

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hearing at some point

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said representative andre carson a

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democrat from indiana

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i mean there's some national security

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concerns that we want to take into

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consideration

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so again some talk about public hearings

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that's a good thing i'll get into that a

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little bit more as we go along

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uh the uh the chairman uh representative

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adam schiff from california

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it was an interesting briefing i did

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learn uh

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things that were certainly new to me uh

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i'm to leave it at that representative

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the stigma is gone that's good news as

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uh now that uh now that's a big change

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in policy

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as i've witnessed about this issue in my

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lifetime so the fact that

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uh they are taking this sort of thing

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seriously for the first time

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i think is important uh then uh some

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not negative comments but uh uh uh

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quigley also went on to say if i had to

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predict how the public will react uh

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to this uh one word would be

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disappointing

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i'm guessing at least uh what they heard

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really did not have that much to do with

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the uh potentially et ufos

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uh peter welsh from vermont

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gave a similar assessment i'm not on the

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edge of my seat

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uh congresswoman val demings from

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uh you know it's always about our safety

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our national security is number one and

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really the area uh where we really

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this uh this morning so uh there's that

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the there there's likely uh going to be

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of the uh of the uh the the report

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that is not going to cover uh

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that they're a lot of the focus is going

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reconnaissance balloons reconnaissance

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drones that kind of thing

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in getting the subject talked about a

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but at the end of the day that is really

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what we're interested in uh the folks

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all the time they've got their measures

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and countermeasures uh

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the uh the fbi as far as any uh

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uh use of drones and some sort of

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terrorist attack uh

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you know that's uh that's theirs to

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worry about uh that's not what we're

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here for we're here for the et

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stuff but uh uh also uh commenting this

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another uh congressman that tim

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burchette from

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indiana and uh he was a a little bit

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less ambiguous as far as what he thinks

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the ufo issue so let's go to congressman

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burkett's comments

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congressman i know right now um with

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president biden when he's

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going to speak to um putin that he's

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talking he's going to ask him about the

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ufo thing and stuff like that i think

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that's ridiculous if the russians had

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ufo technology

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i mean they would own us right now they

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used to say that they've heard people

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how the nazis had it in the second world

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world if they did they would have won

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that is ridiculous it has to be

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something that's it's out of our galaxy

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it just has to be if

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it in fact is real it comes with your

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you have always been a straight shooter

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it's been like i know when um it's been

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bipartisan but the one thing i've

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it doesn't matter which president it is

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nobody ever talks

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about the uh they always say they're

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and honestly i thought trump was going

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to do something's going to release the

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files but you know they release these

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files are redacted it's just a big blob

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white out and uh clearly something's

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that we can't handle i mean ufos were in

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read ezekiel talks about the wheel

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flying around so i mean

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they've been around since we've been

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around and um somebody needs to come up

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with some answers

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so even when something's supposed to be

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released coming up in a few

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weeks or months what do you think is

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going to be in that i don't believe it i

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i think roswell was covered up i think

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you know more people believe in ufos and

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believe in congress for good reason

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because of the jack leg stuff we do

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like that we we talk about we're going

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to release it and then we never do or we

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release something that's so redacted

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that it's just ridiculous the air force

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on roswell which was the big the big

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deal i think from 48

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and the big cover up there and and the

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guy that did it was a smart alec and he

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kind of smirked the whole time and

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nobody took it serious they ought to

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take it serious american public wants to

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know and frankly we deserve it

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i think at some point it's gonna it's

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gonna happen man

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i think they're going to release that i

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think somebody's going to release stuff

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that the kennedy assassination files are

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going to do it off

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but but we haven't had a president with

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so way to go congressman berchette

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laying it right on the line he believes

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that we are being visited and is saying

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so rather unambiguously

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and on top of all that he's also saying

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roswell was real so kudos to him for

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speaking his mind

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and coming out and saying what he said

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and also kudos to

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tmz which normally it's a website that

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focuses on various celebrity

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misadventures

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but they've done a really nice job in

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terms of

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getting these sort of shotgun

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interviews ambush interviews on the

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with various congressmen and senators

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getting getting their comments out there

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and uh they have been interesting and

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uh very helpful uh sometimes uh they do

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say some interesting things

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and uh congressman burkett was uh right

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there with him uh with uh some of the

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most interesting comments

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uh that we've seen to date so very very

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excited about that

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uh senator marco rubio who is

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really one of the the heavy lifters in

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getting this report out there his uh he

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was interviewed again on the subject uh

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on the fox business channel

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that seems to be his go-to outlet there

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where he's speaking the most he was on

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maria bartiromo again this week and he

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had some additional comments to make as

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so let's uh let's go to his comments

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briefing on ufos yesterday senator we've

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spoken on this topic

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before and what we learned from

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was that these ufos cause a pressing

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to america's national security uh as uh

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the highly classified briefing

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were things that those people did not

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do you believe that these unidentified

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flying objects

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are new technology from our adversaries

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i hope they're not uh i don't know what

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they are i don't think the navy or the

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intelligence community knows what it is

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um

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but i think the point is you're never

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going to find out if you don't start

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looking for many years it was just being

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ignored

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it was like it doesn't make sense we've

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never seen it before so don't report it

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we don't know what it is

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look we don't need a report to tell us

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it's a national security threat it's

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flying over restricted airspace and it

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right right and they're flying over

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restricted areas well we'll know more i

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guess in a couple of weeks when that

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pentagon report is public

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yeah they're late they got to hurry it's

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been due already

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senator it's good to see you this

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morning thanks so much

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well there you have rubio's comments and

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he's saying the report is already late

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so i'm

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not sure where he's calculating that 180

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days what his start date is

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it's obviously a little bit different

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than the one that we've been going by

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because

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we've got it still as the end of this

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coming week

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so uh good i mean he's uh he's uh

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pressing he's uh doing it with some

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urgency

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if you remember his comments from a ways

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back he had talked about

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these types of reports often being late

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but i don't think this one will be

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obviously we had the briefing up on

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capitol hill with the

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house committee on intelligence this

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week so i think this thing is just about

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ready to go ready to drop

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and we will see it coming out this week

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again kudos to rubio

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up to this point that we've talked

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largely about uh

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uh what uh uh what we're gonna see in

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this report uh the possibility that

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it might be uh heavily loaded with

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uh some non-et ufos uh uh the sort of

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thing that we're not especially

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interested in

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so let's get back on track and let's

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at his website earlier this week

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christopher mellon

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uh posted a number of uh well yeah

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posted an article

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with a number of questions uh for the

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military

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for the intelligence community uh

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regarding the ufo

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topic and uh the most important that i

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saw

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uh was of course another question about

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stephenville

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and there he uh this is a question 16 of

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his questions

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this is his website again

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christophermellon.net

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question number 16 a number of former

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usaf officers involved in uap incidents

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report they were debriefed by osi which

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would be a fosie

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air force office of special

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investigations and required to sign

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ndas an example occurred

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near stephenville texas in 2008 faa

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radar and 30 civilian witnesses reported

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a huge uap

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about when two usaf f-16

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pilots who attempted to intercept the

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object

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were later interviewed they told

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cleared atip investigators they could

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not discuss the issue because they

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signed

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usaf ndas a thorough review

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of osi's uap files and all usaf uap ndas

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should be the top priority for congress

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and the uap task force and of course

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that's going to be an essential tool if

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we do get the hearings if

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we do get to that point uh these uh ndas

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uh these uh

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uh security clearances these things are

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going to have to be

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waived in order to get to the bottom of

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this in terms of

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at least any reasonably contemporary

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cases and of course

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uh stephenville happened that in 2008

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and also implicit in what mellon writes

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here and i think this is interesting

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that apparently there's been more than

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one instance if i'm reading this

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correctly

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of uh air force pilots uh signing these

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ndas and

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of course uh there were at least a

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couple ndas signed

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as uh part of the nimitz investigation

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as well

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uh not by everybody but by uh by some

401
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people involved in that

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in that particular case so uh that's uh

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that's something to keep in mind uh

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ndas and uh uh security clearances

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those kinds of things are going to have

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to be waived now

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interesting also in melania makes some

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excellent points i'm not going to go

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through each and every one

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he has 17 questions in total

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uh for uh for the uh the task force for

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the committees and for congress and

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i'm not going to go through all of them

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but this particular question 16 is

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wedged in between a couple of questions

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uh

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fosie agent who is spread

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misinformation responsible for the

419
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majestic 12 fake documents

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responsible for the serpo oaks might

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well at least

422
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in my opinion i have some role in the

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with the wilson notes

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some of the some of the hooks that were

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included in that particular document

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uh certainly are the same uh same hooks

427
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that uh

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dodie has used in his past this

429
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information so that

430
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he was involved in all that that

431
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wouldn't surprise me one bit or

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somebody just simply copied his style

433
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that could be the case too

434
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but uh regardless i think this is a

435
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mistake on melon's part to include dodie

436
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and all this

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he's been out of the air force for i

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believe since the 80s

439
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and this goes back a long time we really

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want to stay focused on

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on the main thing again i think this is

442
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a mistake this is a mistake that i think

443
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a lot of ufo people are making as well

444
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that they are getting focused on

445
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a lot of this old disinformation

446
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we're seeing it uh popping up uh here

447
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and there and i'm going to get to that

448
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and finally today i want to touch on

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what i think is going to be a

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very important question as we go forward

451
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and learn more and more about

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ufos and that is basically our uh

453
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we're going to have to answer a number

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of important questions but perhaps uh

455
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the most important question of

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all is what did the best informed

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sections of the government

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know about ufos and when did they know

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it

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uh do they have proof of ufos or if

461
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they've been just

462
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gathering remote sensing evidence like

463
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radar and camera footage and witness

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accounts

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and just compiling them and sitting on

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them all these years

467
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if they've actually have they actually

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retrieved

469
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a genuine ufo craft if that's the case

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then they have proof and there's no

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question about that

472
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but we also can't be hundred a hundred

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percent sure that they've done that

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so either way even the staunchest

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skeptics i think would at least admit

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that the government knows more about

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ufos

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than they've been telling us these last

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several decades

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uh the last three quarters of a century

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and

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we also know that the government goes to

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great lengths to retrieve foreign

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technology

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and i've talked about some cases some

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known cases

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of just that happening here on the show

488
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earlier there's the glomer explorer case

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there's the soviet luna 3 satellite

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and the tupelo spy plane uh just to name

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three uh there was also a a case that

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tom rogan wrote about where some

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uh a mobile uh soviet communications uh

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uh uh truck was uh basically uh uh fell

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into the hands of a uh

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uh dia uh

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military unit so uh that was that was a

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nice find and we'll

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we'll do lots of things there although i

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think it's possible that maybe somebody

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just stole the truck and

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sort of drove it into one of our garages

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over there in libya

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but regardless there are certainly

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others

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and uh all these years a lot of those uh

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that we don't know about and uh right

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now uh we're in silly season so we're

509
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seeing

510
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lots of irresponsible ufo commentators

511
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overreaching on their data

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using old discredited information

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disinformation

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knowingly or unknowingly as a source for

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their claims so

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let's take a closer look and try to

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think critically how

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such a system of cover-up how such a

519
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system might work

520
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so we're hearing again about uh majestic

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12 documents

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uh they are fake they are known uh

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disinformation

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that's uh that's been out there for

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years that

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uh not necessarily uh talk about mj 12

527
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is a fake document but sort of as a

528
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catch-all uh phrase a catch-all name

529
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uh from what might be going on behind

530
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the scenes so

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a generalized name for whatever system

532
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,160
actually

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is uh and we're also hearing another

534
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name

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that's come up more recently and i want

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to talk about that a little bit and that

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is zodiac that is another name that has

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come up recently

539
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,160
it's important to note that uh the the

540
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first time that name was used as far as

541
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i know

542
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:06,640
is it from an anonymous article in ufo

543
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magazine published by

544
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bill burns that came out in the early

545
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90s so i'm

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highly skeptical that that name means

547
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anything too

548
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,880
i think that that's more uh

549
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,120
fictioneering more disinformation

550
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:22,320
but a lot of researchers have latched on

551
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:23,039
to that

552
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:26,320
and i'm just uh not uh solid that this

553
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:27,039
information

554
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:30,480
is uh uh what that we need to be looking

555
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:30,880
at

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be some sort of system in place

557
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:37,200
and it has to work and it's worked

558
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pretty effectively

559
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,760
you would have to think over these years

560
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so let's try to figure out what that

561
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:43,120
system might entail

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00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,919
and uh who might the people be uh

563
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,840
involved in it and uh there has to have

564
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:50,080
been some other talk about that system

565
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,600
uh being ruled and uh not not answerable

566
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:54,799
to anyone

567
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,400
any any one person by permanent insiders

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and uh that it's rogue that there's this

569
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rogue system going on

570
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,640
and that not they're not responsible to

571
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:06,640
anyone uh they're government insiders

572
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,200
who have

573
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:10,080
been there forever and that seems highly

574
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,280
unlikely to me

575
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,919
i i don't believe uh that is the sort of

576
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,440
thing that's happening that's not the

577
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,799
system i don't think

578
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,280
and uh the reason for that is uh

579
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,440
basically

580
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,679
if uh you were running a such an

581
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,720
operation

582
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:27,120
uh you would want the best information

583
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:28,480
available to you

584
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,760
and if you were so secretive that yeah

585
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,520
how would how would someone know to get

586
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,960
that information to you

587
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,720
i don't think uh i don't think that's

588
00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:38,880
possible uh the good information comes

589
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:39,919
in from the field

590
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,320
and how would you know it okay and uh

591
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:44,400
such an organization would have to be

592
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:47,360
uh peopled by a powerful people names

593
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,159
that we would know

594
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,240
names we would easily be able to track

595
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:51,760
down in both the

596
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,320
military and the intel community and you

597
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,919
would also have to have a system to

598
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,360
address turnover

599
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,120
because people don't stay in those

600
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:01,200
positions for very long maybe a couple

601
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,080
of years

602
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,360
and then after that

603
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,720
you know this is a system that might

604
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,120
well have been going on for 70 years so

605
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:10,960
how do you deal with that sort of thing

606
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,280
that that's an important question

607
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,280
but i think that's how it's happening

608
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:17,520
you just you just can't have this

609
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,280
uh this private little group within the

610
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,799
government just sitting there

611
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,159
and they're going to get everything

612
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:24,480
because let's face it if nobody knows

613
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:24,960
who you

614
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,360
are how is anybody going to know to get

615
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:29,120
you the best information if you're that

616
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,400
secretive you can't be

617
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,240
uh you have to have basically a very

618
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,600
powerful day job

619
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,200
and that would be the best way to

620
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,799
compile that information that

621
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,159
information gets to you

622
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,320
because it's part of your normal job and

623
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:42,159
then you've got this uh

624
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:45,679
this uh et ufo related things sort of on

625
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,320
the side

626
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,480
and when something comes your way you

627
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,320
are absolutely sharing it with the other

628
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:51,840
people who are part of your little

629
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,880
ad hoc et committee but uh

630
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,960
you know you've got to have a powerful

631
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,320
job you've got to be

632
00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:00,080
in the loop on just about everything

633
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,600
because you don't know

634
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,919
when and where new information is going

635
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:04,960
to come to you

636
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:13,029
i i do think this sort of thing is

637
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,480
possible you know if uh

638
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,520
crash landings uh uh have never been uh

639
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,799
recovered uh uh

640
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,320
if uh that sort of thing has never

641
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:24,480
happened if crash uh landings have never

642
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,280
happened

643
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,520
then all that we've been doing the last

644
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,559
70 years is

645
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,640
uh collecting case files some of which

646
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,200
you have a remote sensing data attached

647
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,480
to them like radar

648
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,440
but it's a very significant uh to anyone

649
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,960
uh who's looked at

650
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,280
the best information available it seems

651
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,799
to me they would have concluded that

652
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,320
some of those ufos

653
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,440
are in fact et uh if uh they've been

654
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,039
looking closely at all that

655
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,039
and uh that would be uh the assessment

656
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,720
it's been my assessment from

657
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,440
not even having uh the best information

658
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:56,080
available

659
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,679
but that's been my assessment i think it

660
00:23:02,950 --> 00:22:59,679
would be theirs and

661
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,960
uh they just they ignore it

662
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,120
they haven't exactly covered it up

663
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:06,159
because obviously

664
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,240
we know quite a bit uh but uh uh

665
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,240
that's uh they're just basically in a

666
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,320
state of denial so maybe it's a

667
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,360
more of a denial than a cover-up now if

668
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:19,600
they've got the e.t wreckage then then

669
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,559
it's a cover-up

670
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:23,120
that is for sure but if they don't then

671
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,320
it's uh they're just

672
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,720
uh denying the obvious uh they don't

673
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,679
have proof

674
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,600
uh but they have lots of evidence and i

675
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:30,880
think as we go forward

676
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:33,360
uh we're going to get into that proof

677
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,000
versus

678
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:37,360
evidence argument we've seen

679
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:40,400
in papers some headlines there's no

680
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,520
evidence of ufos being e.t well if you

681
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,840
use a process of elimination theory

682
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,279
and they're saying yeah these are

683
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,200
intelligently controlled vehicles

684
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:51,760
no they're not american and no we don't

685
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,559
think that

686
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,640
uh the russian or chinese or anybody

687
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:56,720
else's then what you're left with

688
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:00,000
is uh that there's only one other option

689
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:01,360
really yeah through a process of

690
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,640
elimination theory

691
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,640
so that's if the bet if that's the best

692
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,080
information that they've got

693
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:08,400
then uh then that's where they're at and

694
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,279
they're just

695
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,400
basically weasel wording and uh saying

696
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,600
that they don't have proof when they

697
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,279
have plenty of evidence

698
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,679
maybe or they do actually have the proof

699
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,520
in the form of crash retrievals

700
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,799
and uh they're uh that is uh uh that

701
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,559
those are the keys to the kingdom uh

702
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:26,480
that is uh the big secret

703
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:29,360
but uh as we go along as we go around uh

704
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,919
further

705
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,760
down this path that we are gaining

706
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,440
knowledge about ufos

707
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,520
and that's what we're all in this for

708
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:37,679
and as this week progresses i

709
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,159
do believe that we are going to see more

710
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,159
information about ufos

711
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:44,720
and when we've got something else to

712
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,760
talk about

713
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,600
if the report comes out this week i'll

714
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,200
absolutely be on here

715
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:51,279
uh having read it and uh having uh

716
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,320
blabbered through it

717
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,480
and uh praising what i think is good

718
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,080
about it and uh

719
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:58,000
criticizing what i think is bad about it

720
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,440
and pointing out

721
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:02,080
uh what seems to be missing because when

722
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:03,360
you've got uh so many different

723
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,480
organizations

724
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,640
in the government being uh asked to

725
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,520
contribute

726
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,600
to this report and then the uh the

727
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,919
director of national intelligence

728
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:14,400
essentially acting as an editor from all

729
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,279
these uh

730
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,400
sub reports

731
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,760
uh some are going to be better

732
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,679
contributors than others i think uh that

733
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,360
goes without saying uh that's uh

734
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,520
uh that's pretty self-evident and we

735
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,799
will see who holds the

736
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,039
up their end and who doesn't and

737
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,640
certainly as we go forward

738
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,720
it's looking more and more like the air

739
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,159
force uh the

740
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,880
organization that really has the mother

741
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,320
load in terms of at least

742
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,440
remote sensing data about the ufos

743
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:43,600
is uh might might continue to be a

744
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,559
problem area

745
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,240
so that's about all i've got time for

746
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,960
today i hope you enjoyed it a relatively

747
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,120
short show kept it under a half hour

748
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,919
and we'll be back as soon as like i said

749
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,279
i'll be back as soon as i've got

750
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,559
something more to talk about

751
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,000
so enjoy the rest of your weekend